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LOVE & RELATIONSHIPS - SENECA
ON BENEFITS 1.1.10 & 4.33.2
Notes we should enter marriage even though we cannot guarantee perfect outcomes
Outcomes are uncertain yet virtue requires us to make rational choices, nonetheless
Seneca emphasises that acting according to reason, rather than expecting absolute certainty is a necessary condition to live
Inaction leads to a wasted life and is irrational
Marriage is a clear example, it offers benefits, companionship, family and the opportunity to practice virtue, but its success is uncertain
Reason dictates that marriage is still a good action as the fear of uncertainty is a moral failing and the potential benefits outweigh the risks
Husbands and wives can divorce one another very easily
QUOTES
’We proceed in the way in which reason, not absolute truth, directs us. Wait, do nothing… and your life will pass in absolute inaction’
ON BENEFITS 2.18.1
Alludes to advice exploring the duties that spouses have to each other
Seneca describes the importance of the reciprocal nature of receiving and giving benefits
He uses marriage as an example of mutual duties in a marital context to demonstrate his point
He emphasises that both partners have responsibilities, reinforcing equality in relationships
For Seneca, relationships are reciprocal, rather than one sided and duties in them should be performed on principle, led by virtue
QUOTES
’Every function which is performed by two persons makes equal demands upon both…a husband has certain duties, but those of a wife are no less important’
ON BENEFITS 3.16.2 - 4
Expresses disgust at the rising frequency of divorce
Seneca exaggerates and is hyperbolic in order to express his strong moral condemnation for the perceived contemporary decay of sexual morality among women
Seneca highlights the extremity of vice to emphasise the danger of abandoning virtue.
Society has inverted moral virtues as chastity is no longer admired and indulgence is normalised
For stoics, virtue lies in self control and moderation, hence the woman having more than a single pair of lovers, symbolises passion overriding reason, the central vice of stoicism
QUOTES
’Chastity merely implies ugliness. Where will you find any woman so abject, so repulsive, as to be satisfied with a single pair of lovers’
ON CONSTANCY 7.4
Seneca implies that adultery can also be about the intent for inappropriate sexual pleasure, not merely about the act itself
Seneca suggests that in this scenario the sex is centred around the body rather than emotional attachment or the development of virtue and it is therefore immoral through a Stoic lens
Seneca could be criticising the objectification of women, as the man reduces her to a mere target of lust
For Seneca each person had individual responsibility and his intent makes him an adulterer, whereas hers does not
This contrasts with contemporary societal values where women were often judged more harshly for their sexual behavious than men
QUOTES
’If a man sleeps, lies with his wife as if she were someone else’s, he will be an adulterer, although she will not be an adulteress’
LETTER 3
On the ideal grounds for friendship
Seneca warns Lucilius against making a man a friend before knowing their character.
But once someone has become a friend, he should be trusted and should share one’s anxieties
QUOTES
’Think long whether someone should be taken into your friendship. When you have decided on it, welcome him with your whole heart’
Love and relationships should not be impulsive and require judgement prior to emotional commitment, true relationships require complete emotional vulnerability and honesty
Seneca criticises impulsive love, emotional decision-making and a lack of rational control
Seneca advocates for stoic rationalism in relationships rather than following the passionate love
For Seneca, friendship is similar to spouses as they are preferred indifferents, they are not necessarily true for birtue
Very different to love in Sappho and Plato
It is not that the wise man will not seek out friends if he is given the opportunity, or that he does not see friendship as having value, it is that the absence of friendship will not impact or fame his virtue
Seneca gives guidance on how to make friends, when you are with a friend you should feel like you are with yourself
You should take time and carefully consider who you choose to welcome into your social circle as friendship is a serious and precious aspect of life, it should not be cheaply given
Seneca’s attitude to friendship is similar to his attitude to marriage here
Both friendship and marriage themselves are abstract constructs, indifferents, what makes the difference is the moral qualities of the people who enter into those relationships
Ideal friendship should have trust, completely open and trust them totally
Be very selective in picking your friends and then give love and trust to them
It is as bad to trust absolutely no one as well as absolutely everyone
LETTER 9
On the Stoic sage and self sufficiency
Explores the sage’s attitude to relationships with others in general
9.17 in particular notes the sage’s interest in starting a family
Seneca returns to the theme of friendship from a new point of view
The wise man should not need friends but he does need them to be objects o f his kindness. And Seneca distinguishes between self-interested and altruistic friendship
QUOTES
’To have someone for whom I can die’
‘The emotions of lovers have something similar to friendship, you could say it was a crazy kind of friendship’
’He will live happily even without friends’
’Yet he would not live if he had to live without another person’
Seneca describes how friendships can be useful for practicing virtue, showing stoic altruism
They are an opportunity for the sage to act virtuously, showing stoics still value relationships
Plato treats love and relationships as a means to understanding beauty, while Seneca sees relationships as occasions for virtue
Romantic love is depicted as irrational and inferior to friendship
Friendship is a rational ideal while love is an excessive emotion, love involves desire, dependency and reciprocity, making it inferior to Stoic friendship
’He’ Refers to the wise man
Seneca continues the idea of friendship as a positive indifferent, complete with self-sufficiency means relationships are not necessary for happiness
Contrasts Sappho which has love as emotionally necessary and Plato who has love as philosophically necessary
Wise man prefers friendship to cultivate virtue, if there were no people, there would be no virtue, or a less virtuous life
LETTER 95.37
Example of a man who knows keeping a concubine is an insult to his wife but does it anyway
QUOTES
’He knows that a mistress is the worst kind of offence against his wife, but his lust drives him in the opposite direction’
The man recognises that adultery is morally wrong as it is a betrayal of his wife and dishonours her, making it both unethical and socially unacceptable
Despite this the passion of lust overwhelms him and he acts against reason
Adultery is shown by Seneca as a result of moral weakness, the man in this story knows what a good relationship requires through reason, but he undermines it through his lack of self-control and discipline
For Seneca, true relationships should be based on self-control and mutual respect
LETTER 104.1-5
Seneca talks about his relationship with his wife Paulina
QUOTES
’What is more pleasant than to be so dear to your wife that you become dearer to yourself on this account’
’So since I cannot persuade her to love me more resolutely, she persuades me to love myself more carefully’
Love is not one-sided, it is shown to require mutual affection
Seneca presents love as a force that can enrich both partners, your happiness can increase because of your importance to your wife
Seneca shows that love can be virtuous if it is grounded in care rather than passion
Love is not based off physical attraction for Seneca
Love can act to strengthen reason and self-respect as being loved for your character encourages and reinforces your virtuous nature
LETTER 122.7-8
Includes men who exchange their clothing wit women and submit to other men in a list of things which are against nature along with men who build warm baths in the sea
QUOTES
’Don’t men live contrary to nature when they aim for the flow of boyhood at an unsuitable age’
‘This is the aim of luxury, to delight in reversals and not just stray from the right but go as far away from it as possible, and finally to stand on the opposite side’
In stoic philosophy the ideal is achieving eudaimonia, happiness, by living in harmony with nature and reason
Seneca’s critique of attraction to vanity, youth and boyhood implies that such desires are unnatural as they go against living a virtuous life
Desire for youth could link to lust and sexual pursuit, and so Seneca could be seen as advocating against this
Seneca essentially proposes that men ought to moderate their unnatural desires and focus on virtuous love grounded in reason
Objecting novelty for novelty’s sake, excessive
Implies men are motivated by unrestrained desire for penetration
Objecting human nature is opposing the vices
LETTER 114.4
A portrait of Maecenas as a husband behaving irrationally because of desire for his wife
Seneca critiques how indulgent Maecenas was, including his wife within a list of things which he indulged in
Maecenas even allowed lust for his wife to override his reason
Through a stoic lens, Maecenas showed a lack of self control as he was ruled by his passions
The ideal stoic husband loves virtuously and practices discipline. Maecenas shows no such restraint
ON PROVIDENCE 3.10
Another portrait of Maecenas and his relationship with his wife
Seneca shows the effects that romantic turmoil and rejection from a wife can have on an individual through his portrayal of Maecenas being daily rebuffed by his wife
Seneca shows that he desires intimacy but is not given it and rather than practicing self-control, Maecenas distracts himself with pleasure from sources such as unmixed wine
Rather than alleviating his distress, such measures exacerbate it, leaving him restless
Regulus doesn’t even suffer restlessness while being tortured on his cross as he is at peace as he knows his suffering is as a result of duty and virtue
Seneca effectively shows that unfulfilling relationships can cause suffering but it is the response to them that is what causes pain
Relationships are shown as an indifferent, it is how you respond to them which dictates whether they help you lead a virtuous life or one ruled by vice
QUOTES
’Distressed by affairs of the heart and lamenting the daily rebuffs of a cantankerous wife’
ON ANGER 3.8-9, 3.26, 3.28, 3.34, 3.36-4, 3.,42-3
QUOTES
’We adopt our habits from our associates…shameless company perverts even the strong man… The same principle is true of the virtues’
‘The afflicted mind is affected by mere trifles’
’Rage will sweep you here and there…will you ever find time for love?’
‘Wanting the same thing, which ought to be a bond of love, becomes the reason for alienation and hatred’
’My wife, no stranger now to my habit, has fallen silent’
‘Let us be free of this evil, let us clear it from our minds’
‘Why not instead make yourself loveable to all men while you live’
Seneca continues the idea that you should carefully select who you allow associate with you as character is shaped through social influence
A virtuous man will encourage you to become more virtuous, while ‘shameless’ company will have negative influences on even the strongest individual
Iand relationships ought to only be with those who can contribute positively to one’s ethical progress, relationships are instrumentally valuable as tools of moral formation
Seneca suggests that when passion begins to override reason, minor issues are taken out of proportion as individuals become intensely reactive
Similarly, emotional instability could trigger overreaction within relationships, causing people to behave irrationally with them and potentially weakening bonds between individuals
Anger is a passion that disrupts rational control over the self
Seneca implies that anger results in a loss of agency and a loss of opportunity, as mental energy is consumed on rumination which could have instead been spent on living a virtuous life
A virtuous life would create the prerequisite conditions for love to blossom
Seneca therefore implies that patience is required for love, as it cannot flourish in the chaos that ensues from a life ruled by uncontrolled passions
Seneca subverts the idea that love naturally arises from shared desire, providing an ironic critique of common desire that is not rooted in virtue
For Seneca, love is not simply shared desire, it requires mutual desire that is rationally aimed at higher order goods such as virtue
Without this, shared desire leads to competition and division
Seneca notes that his wife allows him to undertake his nightly practice of reflection
This routine reflects Stoic self-discipline and his wife’s accommodation of this presents their marriage as a rational partnership that supports the cultivation of virtue rather than obstructing it
Seneca’s advice to clear passion from our minds reflects the Stoic view that passions distort rationality
When applied to relationships this suggests that attachments driven by lust or desire result in unstable or irrational bonds
Therefore relationships must be governed by rational judgement and virtue rather than passion as an independent motivating force
Seneca argues negative passions such as anger are a waste of time as the individual ought to pursue the alternative which is virtue
Virtue results in affection from others
For Seneca, being lovable is not about emotional attraction but rather about cultivating virtue, with friendships and relationships being the natural by-product of a virtuous lifestyle
Vices spread through associates
Warning signs of passion
Be kind
Anger leaves no time for love
Wanting the same thing ought to be a bond of love
Seneca describes his wife’s understanding of his nightly meditation routine
Root out evil passions entirely
Why make life unpleasant for those tied to us
CONSOLATION TO MARCIA 7, 16, 17
Women naturally equal to men
Examples of virtuous and courageous Roman women
Lust satisfied by threesome
Seneca uses the image of fire to show that natural forces affect every individual equally, including men and women alike
This reflects the stoic belief that all rational beings are equal as suffering can affect anyone regardless of sex or status
What matters to the Stoics is not what happens to a person but how they respond to it through reason and self control as this is the basis on which individuals should be judged
By contrast many emotions are experienced differently between different people because of habit and upbringing, rather than because of any difference in nature
QUOTES
Seneca describes women as having ‘just as much aptitude for noble actions’ and points to ‘two women, the Cornelias’ as examples of women of virtue
‘It will not be enough to enjoy the bodies of two partners at the same time’
’Fire will burn people of all ages and inhabitants of every country, men and women alike’
Seneca implies that the perceived inferiority of women comes from social expectations rather than from an accurate understanding of nature itself
This is an explicit statement of equal moral potential between men and women which challenges contemporary Roman stereotypes
Dionysius is presented as a tyrant motivated by the fulfillment of his sexual desires
Dionysius’ excess symbolises a lack of self-restraint
For Seneca, lust is a passion that causes the individual to abandon reason and lose their self-control
Dionysius elves as a warning that indulgence in pleasure enslaves the mind and is not aligned with virtue
ON THE TRANQUILITY OF THE MIND 7, 9
Importance of friendship
Let lust follow nature’s course
QUOTES
‘Nothing, however, delights the mind as much as loving and loyal friendship’
’How Great a blessing it is to have those whose hearts are ready to receive every secret in confidence…whose cheerfulness scatters your gloomy thoughts, whose very appearance makes you joyful!’
’Let lust follow nature’s course…let us learn to increase our moderation’
Seneca describes the emotional value that friendships and relationships can have
Friendship is deeply valuable when it’s aligned with a path leading towards virtue
Seneca outlines the desirable functions of relationships, offering a practical ideal for a virtuous friendship would take place in reality
It shows the importance of trust, the sharing of confidences, emotional support, relieving anxiety, as well as offering practical guidance in decision making, alongside the joy of companionship
Seneca captures a full, practical description of a good relationship
Senece shows that friendship can be morally transformative, aiding in the development of virtue, and psychologically transformative, helping individuals to avoid unahppiness
Seneca argues that sexual desire is natural and therefore not something to be inherently ashamed of
The impulse is not morally bad, but how one responds to it could be
Moderation is key as one must use discipline to control ones desires
Seneca presents love and relationships as natural if they are restrained and do not undermine the path to living a virtuous life
ON THE SHORTNESS OF LIFE 7, 12, 16-17
Wasting time on lust
Un-Roman vice of watching young men wrestling
QUOTES
’Yet that time they love is short-lived and swift…they rush from one pleasure to another’
’Their very pleasures are fearful…at the very moment of rejoicing the anxious thought occurs to them, ‘how long will this last?’
’Do You call that man ‘at leisure’…who sits in a wrestling ground (for, and this is shameful! We suffer from vices that are not even Roman) supporting brawling youngsters?’
’But that man who devotes every hour to his own needs, who plans every day as if it were his last, neither longs for nor fears tomorrow’
Lust is shown as unstable as there is a lack of depth and it arises internally but is directed towards externals outside of one’s control, therefore forcing the individual to become dependent on sources of pleasure
Hence pursuers of lust are constantly restless as they are always in pursuit of novel sources of pleasure
A lustful relationship is superficial as it contrasts with lasting fulfilment offered in a virtuous relationship
Paradoxically, even pleasure brings anxiety and instability when it is rooted in vice
The temporary nature of pleasure promotes anxiety as the individual anticipates that it will end
For Seneca, a lack of virtue leads to a lack of inner stability as one would become dependent on what is beyond one’s control which leads to psychological instability
Seneca offers watching young men wrestling as an example of misdirected desire
This vice is not actually Roman as it is the societal norm for Ancient Greeks and is often depicted as the setting within which a pederastic relationship might begin to form
Seneca rejects vices that are described as leisure pursuits as they do not promote the virtuous lifestyle which the wise man ought to structure his life around
Passive spectatorship of young men is a misuse of leisure and is contradictory to living rationally as leisure ought to be directed towards reflection rather than sensory distraction
ON MERCY 1.9.1-12
An extended narrative of an incident in the relationship between Augustus and Livia which demonstrates laudable marital dynamic
QUOTES
’Will you listen to a woman’s council?’ Livia asked, then explained ‘Now try how mercy works for you…he can no longer harm you but he can benefit your reputation’ at this Augustus was ‘delighted to have found supporter’ and ‘thanked his wife’
The marriage of Augustus and Livia is shown by Seneca as an example of a laudable relationship
Livia is shown o be a voice of reason, offering rational advice to her husband Augustus as she advocates for self-control rather than emotion
Augustus listens to her counsel and chooses to show rational advice
This scene might have a didactic purpose as Seneca was tutor to Nero and might be trying to encourage him to accept advice from others when it is rational, emphasising mutual guidance within virtuous relationships
CONSOLATION TO HELVIA 13-14, 16-19
Sexual desire not for pleasure but for continuance for human race
Women’s lack of self-control and pursuit of pleasure through their sons
Helvia though, is no ordinary woman
Seneca contradicts his father’s position on whether Helvia, Seneca’s mother should study philosophy
The consolations of family relationships
Seneca’s aunts devotion to her husband
QUOTES
’Sexual desire was given to man, not for the sake of pleasure, but in order to continue the human race’
Seneca’s aunts devotion describes sexual desire as ‘secret and deadly impulse implanted in our very vitals’ which if an individual can restrain themselves from gratifying then ‘every other desire will pass you by untainted’
Seneca describes a situation where some mothers ‘with a woman’s lack of self-control, make use of a son’s power’ exploit their relationship with their son for their own ends
’It is not open to you to claim your female sex as an excuse…as your own excellent qualities make you a stranger to this’
‘I am guiding you to the place where all who seek to escape from Fortune must seek refugee, philosophical studies’
’Consider My brothers, while they continue to live, it would be a sin to complain of fortune’
Seneca details the intimate relationships between Helvia and her sister, who Seneca describes as ‘your greatest source of comfort, your sister, that heart so full of loyalty to you’
He presents a negative and misogynistic portrayal of women as figures who are prone to excessive desire
The mother’s desire for power and ambition leads to her manipulating her relationship with her own son for her own gain
Seneca presents Helvia as an exception from the stereotype of women as weak and lacking self-control
Helvia’s excellent qualities means that she cannot mourn excessively as to do so would go against her character which is able to intros its emotions and is therefore unnatural and goes against reason
Seneca disagrees with his father’s position on Helvia, his mother, ought to study philosophy
He presents philosophy as something which everyone should practice in order to cultivate a virtuous character and to protect themselves from mental wounds and memories rooted in sorrow
Seneca details the importance of familial relationships and the filial love that Helvia has for her children
To complain of fortune would be wrong as recognition not with excessive desire
Seneca shows how beneficial familial relationships are to Helvia as they comfort her and allow her to practice virtue within them
This shows how a close and supporting relationship can offer emotional stability for Helvia, which is why Seneca recommends to his mother that she gets closer with her during her grief
Seneca reinforces the idea that virtuous relationships can be deeply valuable when aligned with the path of virtue
NATURAL QUESTIONS 1.16
Gives a disapproving account of the sexual habits of Hostius Quadra, who slept with both men and women whilst surrounded by mirrors
QUOTES
’This man’s lust knew no distinction of sex’ and used distorting mirrors so that he could ‘see all his accomplices’ movements and could ‘gloat over the imagined proportions of his own body’
Seneca digresses into the moral shortcomings of the character Hostius Quadra, showing how vices, which stoics feel would lead to moral corruption
He is depicted as vain and obsessed with himself, pleasured by watching his own body in a magnified form
Quadra is a cautionary example of the consequences of vice reigning over a character, he is shown as a decadent and singular man who later dies at the hands of his own slaves who are so disgusted by his vicious lifestyle
TACITUS, ANNALS 15.63.64
Seneca’s forced political suicide, including the role his wife played
QUOTES
’She demanded her part in the executioner’s stroke’
Seneca’s wife, Paulina attempts to share in the death of Seneca
This shows the stoic ideal of a relationship, rooted in shared virtue and courage
Paulina chooses virtue rather than the Stoic preferred indifferent of life, in order to maintain moral unity with her husband
Nero ordered she be prevented from dying, disrupting this final expression of steadfastness in a Stoic relationship