Knowledge of God's existence

discussion points

Natural Knowledge

God's Existence as an Innate Human Sense of the Divine

Humans in the image of God

the idea comes from the first book in the Bible, Genesis

'Then God said, 'Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along in the groun.' So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.'

'Imago dei'

due ot this biblical verse, Catholics often used the Latin term to describe the relationship between God and humans

many scholars use this belief to argues that because humans are created so, they have an inbuilt desire to know God

this includes human openness to beauty and goodness as aspects of God

'Sensus Divinitatis'

John Calvin

argues that we naturally recignise and understood that beauty comes from God

in the 16th century he claimed we have an innate sense of the divine

made this claim in Institute's of the Christian Religion

'seed of divinity'

can be experienced in 3 ways

beauty

intellectual ability

conscience

'That there exists in the human mind and indeed by natural instinct, some sense Deity [sensus divinitatis], we hold to be behind dispute, since God himself, to prevent any man from pretending ignorance, has endued all men with some idea of his Godhead ... this is not a doctrine which is first learned at school, but one as to which every man is, from the womb, his own master; one which nature herself allows no individual to forget' (Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion)

innate knowledge

this means humans have an intellectual ability to reflect on and recognise God's existence

Calvin took the view that the beauty of the world is clear evidence of the existence of God

this shoes our human openers to beauty and goodness as aspects of God

argues every human being is born with a knowledge that God exists and the we are accountable to him

learned the concept of innate knowledge of God from St Paul especially from the first 2 chapters of Romans

God's Existence in the Order of Creation

William Paley (1743-1805)

argued the complexity of the world and suggests there is purpose to it

suggests there must be a designer which he said is God

used a watch to illustrate his point

if Paley came across a mechanical watch on the ground, he would assume that its complex parts fitted together for a purpose

the watch had not come into existence by chance, there must be a watchmaker

went on to reason the world is much more complex than a watch

for eg look at the design of the cells of a leaf, the fin of a fish, photosynthesis

so the world must be much more complex than a watchmaker

only God can be the designer of the world as He is seen to be omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent

Thomas Aquinas (13th C)

put forward the cosmological argument

looks at the chain of cause and effect in the world (in particular he looked as seen in the order of creation)

concluded that natural theology was important in demonstrating reasonability in Christian belief

because the universe exists, something must have cause it ti exist ->. Aquinas argued that God created existence

The Bible

offers the view that natural world demonstrates truths about God

in the book of Psalms, the writer looks up at night sky and sees clear evidence of the existence of god and God's relationship with humanity

'When I consider your heave, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place, what is mankind that you are mindful of them, human beings that you care for them? You have made them a little lower than the angles and crowned them with glory and honour

' You made them rulers over the works of your hands; you put everything under their feet: all flocks and herds, and t he animals of the wild, the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas. Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!' (Psalm 8:3-9)

Richard Swinburne

argues that our humans reason and powers of observation support the probability that there is a God

Knowledge of God's Existence through Faith and God's grace

Revelation

comes from. Greek term meaning unveil

used In religion as a term to describe God revealing himself to humanity

Grace is God's gift of knowledge of himself through the Holy Spirit

Augustine

all humans are sinful and have a finite mind

bases his belief in the book of Genesis and 'The Fall' of man

so natural knowledge is insufficient to gain full knowledge of God

knowledge of God is possible through faith and grace

Knowledge

St T Aquinas

wrote about faith and the ways in which it complements and differs from other kinds of knowledge

in 'Summa Theologica', he explores how empirical and logical knowledge 'sciential' is certain

he sees this as certain because we can see. the evidence right in front of us, either through our sense or by using reason

Faith

unlike knowledge oes not have this firm self-evident certainty

so is a voluntary choice

'an act o the intellect assenting to the truth at the command of the will'

Aquinas argued we cannot have faith and scientific knowledge about the same thing

faith is about this things where certainty is not readily available

science is about those things we can test and confirm for ourselves

vs opinion

for Aquinas, faith differs from opinion too

because opinion does not have certainty that faith does

like faith, opinion is a matter of choice

this is because the evidence is not clear in supporting one view or another

but opinion is open to change as people might be persuaded to change their opinions

faith has a certain solid commitment that does not have elements of doubt

Types of revelation

immediate

mediate

when someone is give direct knowledge about God

learning about God but less directly

it could be through someone else who has experienced God

Revealed knowledge of God in Jesus Christ

person of Jesus Christ

Jesus' miracles

types of revelation

sometimes theologians make a distinction between 'immediate' and 'mediate' revelation

immediate revelation is when someone is given direct knowledge about God

mediate revelation is learning about God but less directly - could be via someone else who has experienced God

full and perfect knowledge of God is revealed in the person of Jesus Christ and through life of the Church and Bible

It is Christian belief that Jesus was the incarnation of God, ending God in human form

according to John's Gospel, Jesus was the 'word made flesh'

for this reason, Jesus' words are believed to be very words of God - his actions and sacrifice on the cross are believed to be the actions and sacrifice of God, revealing God's omnibenevolent nature

in christian thought, they reveal the nature of God in different ways

Jesus calming the storm reveals God's omnipotence over the laws of nature

Jesus healing of people from leprosy, blindness, and paralysis reveals God's grace in restoring people

Jesus feeding of the 5,000 shows God is the giver of everything people need for their lives

Jesus raising Lazarus reveals God as the giver of life after death

Barth and Brunner debate

the Fall has completely removed all natural knowledge of God

natural knowledge is the same as revealed knowledge

faith its sufficient for belief in God's existence

God can be known through reason alone

belief in God is sufficient to put one's trust in him

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agree

Pre-Christian philosopher Cicero talked about the 'universal' consent argument' - the idea that so many people believe that it must be art of the natural makeup of humans

reason is required to know God because all claims that rely on faith cannot be meaningful - they cannot be proven and they could simply be projections of human imagination

if God has created humans then it makes sense that he would provide ways of humans being able to discover and get to know him. we should be able to find the tools for this in all people

it does not make sense to say that humans can find God entirely on their own. God is by definition ineffable, beyond human experience. it is arrogant to suggest we can know God ourselves

humans are sinful and this comes from OS. humans cannot know Gof through reason because our reason is tarnished by the Fall

reason is an intellectual exercise and not all people are academic. perhaps it is not reasonable to suggest that everyone can use rreadson correctly to understand God

some might suggest that is indeed, possible God through reason alone but that type of knowledge is not sufficient for faith because faith requires a personal knowledge

it could be observed that faith needs to be build on reason in some way. therefore, on its own, faith is not suffiecient reason for belief in God's existence but without faith, there cannot be such a belief

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agree

it stands to reason that a God who is beyond this earth will not be able to understood without faith and God's grace to enable that faith

belief in God's existence is a relationship with a apersonal God and all relationships require more than just a theory

engaging with God should not be seen as merely an academic exercise but as a spiritual and emotional task: life is not just about academic or physical things

faith without the support of reason could lead to beliefs in anything - such s a giant Flying Spaghetti Monster out in space

why would God create humans with the ability to be rational and then seem only to offer some and not all humans the gift of faith?

atheist thinkers dismiss faith as a projection of human desire for there to be more to this life than meets the eye. as such, all acts of faith must be rejected

disagree

agree

the idea of Cicero's universal consent argument can be rejected simply because even though many people have a sense of religion or deity, the fact that they interpret it so differently proves that human reason is inadequate

human nature is clearly flawed and it would be wrong to say that fallen humans should attempt a relationship with a perfect God - we are not deserving

the effects of the Fall utterly decimated human relationships with God. The Bible is clear that humans must labour alone (in the punishment of Adam) unless God chooses otherwise

too much emphasis is put on the idea of the Fall. Catholics downplay this and focus instead on the gap between us and God because of our very natures so it is possible to know something of God through reason

perhaps God's nature is never knowable in any way. it is not a result of the Fall as much as complete otherness of God

no Christian denomination believes natural theology on its own is dufficient. it is entirely reasonable to suggest that there are different ways of finding knowledge of God

Barth

Brunner

he did accept the impact of the Fall on humanity but not to the drastic degree of Barth. he said that at one level we are still fallen but at a spiritual level, we still remain the pinnacle of God's creation and are able to have a relationship with him. the Fall has not ruined us completley

his essay came first

thought human nature had been completely corrupted by the Fall and that there was no authoritative source of knowledge of God apart from God's revelation. thus all of natural theology is rejected and there are no points of contact between God and humans. the only way for us to know anything about God is through God's loving loving, free choice to reveal something to us

felt that Falln had corrupted us on all levels, inc spiritual level. it is not possible for humans on their own to have a spiritual relationship with God - the start must always come from God's grace/ if a person sees the beauty of nature and then knows something about God, it is because they have already had something revealed to them

his response was absolute. essay was entitled 'Nein!' - German for No!

we have seen that the Fall made Calvin question whether it was possible for humans to use their sensus divinitatis to gain knowledge of gpd. If our human nature is in some way corrupted by the fall then perhaps we could not use our basic abilities to come to know God and thus rely only ob what God gives us through revelation

Barth and Brunner were both Swiss theologians and min sister sin. the Calvinist tradition. while Barth rejected natural theology (perhaps because ehe lived through the Nazi era and was worried Nazism was showing human reason could achieve), Brunner was still influenced by the thinking of Aquinas and the idea that reason came be used to identify aspects of God

debate between the two come form the fact t that there are some aspects of Calvin's thinking in this area theatre entirely clear

are the census divinities and semen religions points of contact that we need reason to understand or are they actually ways of God revealing himself?

what impact ads the Fall actually had on humanity's ability to know God?

is natural theology to be seen as equal or inferior to revealed theology?

how can God's grace be recognised if there are no points of contact between humans and God?

points of contact between God and and humans - the beauty of nature, the consicence and the senses divintatis. they give a basic understanding of god and nature of humanity (their fallen nature).

yet this is only basic understanding, if a person wants to fully know God, then they need to accept and have faith in Jesus Christ ad the redemption he brought only comes through revelation thus natural theology exists to gives the ability to begin the conversation about what we may know about God but not give full knowledge

disagree

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proving that God exists is simply recognising an already revealed truth

all complex questions require several different approaches at once. the distinction between the two types of theology is artificial and ways to come to know God could be split into different categories

the two are simply different sides of the same coin because you cannot have natural knowledge without revealed knowledge first

natural knowledge gives a different sort of knowledge to revelation. nobody becomes a believer through natural theology alone

natural knowledge must be different because it is impossible due to the Fall as the points of contact between heaven and earth have been lost

the two opera in different spheres: in order to 'do' natural theology you need to put revealed theology aside - because some say that you cannot fairly prove God exists using logic if you already believe him to exist

disagree

agree

if the idea of points of contact is correct. then recognising these points of contact should lead to faith because something true about God has been recognised

all people believe in diff ways- some are intellectual and some are not, surely does not matter to God who made humans to worship him. belief in God in whatever form should lead to a commitment

belief in god requires a leap of faith. if one is prepared to make that leap then one must put trust in God

belief in God gained solely through natural theology is not the same as a persona relationship with God

belief in God does not make living a Christian life easy - there are many challenges from evil, science or society to make someone doubt whether they should fully trust God

belief in God needs proper context and understanding - through an understanding of JC as mediator is taught by Church