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euthyphro - Coggle Diagram

- - - - problems: he's not a god. the idea that a human is capable of imitating the gods is absurd. not piety.
      - s: what one god loves, another hates. what you're doing is both pious and impious.
        
        socrates takes the definition, taken e's conviction to the words of the poets, and e claims what he is doing is pious. s points out he is guilty of logical inconsistency
        
        e believes defacto monotheism -> if you know what one god loves, then you know what all the gods love. what one god hates, all hate. which is basically monotheism because they are acting as one
- - - - e is laughed at when he goes to congress. claims to have prophetic powers, have divine knowledge of things. the many are ignorant, the few are wise, e is wise. his family is among the ignorant. they think what he is doing (the charge of murder) is wrong.
        
        socrates wished he was treated the way e is because if no one took him seriously, he wouldn't be in jail for corrupting the young by teaching new theology.
        
        e says to socrates: its laughable that you suppose that it makes any difference whether the dead man i san outsider or of the family, rather than that one should be on guard only for wheather the killer killed with justice or not
        
        you much prosecute even if the killer is of your hearth and table (member of family) for the pollution turns out to be equal of you knowingly associate with such men.
        
        socrates to e: do you think you have knowledge about how the divine things are imposed, and we can't contest the facts, you don't fear that you might be doing an impious act
        
        e says: i have no reason to fear because i know the relation between pious and impious, and what i am doing is in regulation to what piety requires of me, i have nothing to fear because I am wise, i know. if i am ignorant i should be afraid.
        
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        if you think that blood is thicker than water, that's laughable. one question when it comes to a killer: was the killing done justly or not? if done justly, leave it alone.
        
        e is not a "pure pacifist" he thinks there are killings that are just - permissible killings
        
        if you don't prosecute family, then you are complicit, and that pollutes you. by proceeding against, you can purify yourself, and help purify the killer.
- - - - intrinsic. can have independent of relation to another thing
      - either a relational property being seen, relation to seer. being carried, relation to carrier.
      - is piety relational property (pious because the gods love it) or intrinsic (love it because of the intrinsic characteristic of piety) a property can not be both. e thinks it is both, which is impossible. which means he loses the knowledge litmus test again. e loses confidence and goes back to linking justice to piety.
- - - - e says: however, that is someone has knowledge of how to do things gratifying to the gods by praying and sacrificing, and such things preserve private families as well as communities of cities.
        
        citizens who are pious are then blessed by the divine.
        
        socrates says: for if you didn't know plainly the pious and the impious, there is no way that you would ever have attempted to prosecute your father on behalf of a hired man, rather as to the gods you would have dreaded the risk that you would not do it correctly (committing impiety); and as to human beings,
        
        if you are right that gives you the right to go against tradition.