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- - - - The Swedish scientists knew in the beginning already.
        
        How is that possible? How can the Swedish government learned all about the virus in the first 2 months and made decision?
        
        They just knew.
        
        It's not very persuasive and what if it's one of those viruses that has extremely long incubation period, like mycobacterium leprae, a kind of bacterium that causes Leprosy, has an incubation period of 5 to 20 years
        
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  - - - China is pursuing zero covid and it seems you want to pursue zero death! I don't know if that is the reality. 4 million Taiwanese not vaccinated, so do you want all Taiwanese to be vaccinated?
        
        I've never said that. Like I said, I also think it's time to live along with it. I just agree with the Taiwan government's gradually lifting ban approach to slow down infection and increase medical capacity.
        
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      - Currently there’re about 4 million people in Taiwan not vacinned, in which, about 190 million elders who are in high risk. Severe case rate ranged from 0.25% (Taiwan), 2% (New Zealand), 4.5% (South Korea), 9.1% (Japan), 31% (Hong Kong) Taking a more conservative value, 0.25%, that’s 47,500 eleders of severe cases.
        
        190k or 190 million old people? There are only 23 million people in Taiwan.
        
        My bad. It should be 190K. Thanks for the correction.
      - Death rate ranged from 0.04% (Taiwan), 0.45% (New Zealand), 0.88% (South Korea), 2% (Japan), and 6.87% (Hong Kong). Take a conservative value 0.04%, that also means 7,600 death. But the number is vey possble to double or triple.
        
        8x3 or 8x4... supposedly 32,000 old people die... Do you know how many old people die in Taiwan every year?
        
        I didn't know how many and I just looked it up. According to MHW, 126K elders (65+ yrs) died in 2020 (not COVID-19 related)
        (https://www.mohw.gov.tw/cp-5017-61533-1.html)
        
        Yes, it's a lot more than my previously estimated 7.6K death. But...
        
        0.04% was a very conservative value because now Taiwan still has sufficient medical capacity. If it collapsed, it could go a lot worse like 2% (Japan) or 6.87% (HK). That's 38K and 130.5K of death we're talking about.
        
        Because most COVID19 deaths are within a month, if we divided the annual death of 126K elders by 12 month, that's 10.5K death a month. Now we can see the magnitude of the number.
        
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        Any evitable death is one more too many.
        
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        Not sure what you mean 8x3 or 8x4 here?
        
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      - England, Danemark, Israël, Spain, Sweden, Norway are starting to live normally, even though cases (it means nothing much now)... why is that?
        
        Yes but the costs are tremendous deaths which could be avoided.
      - People die every day, especially old people (if you have not noticed). So to stop old people from dying is to vaccinate them with immortal juice, then we are all equal to Gods!
        
        I know. I didn't say I want to stop all old people from dying.
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