Issues 3.3.22Living With Unanswered questions
Axiums (Assumptions that need to be made) Know for exams five catagories
- The universe exists
Why is there something rather then nothing
Why did the unverse go to all the bother to make earth
Totally undetermined, we have no idea why
- Existence of the universe matters to us
No way to get meaning out of universe from science
The more I study, the more I think the universe knew we were coming
Freemen (I think)
- The universe is orderly and follows mathematical laws
Beautiful equations point to the truth behind them
we chose beautiful equations over ungly complex
Mathematics describes the universe
ALbert Einstine
Physics has a problem
Math shows them where there answer is
Mathamatics is the laungauge that put the universe together
Hawkings
why breaths the fire into these beautiful equations
do they create themeselve
- We are capable of understand the universe
Naturalism and science conflict
Through evolution we will never understand the universe
try and teach general relativity to a dog
Why can we understand the universe and dogs can't.
Punch Line: Religion answers the order of the universe
Founders of science
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Math
Historicist
Study theology and Biblical prophacy
Daniel as explanation
Methadological naturalism
Was created by christians
Oder is seen in nature not just miracles
- Science must be repeatable
you are the easiest person to fool.
That's why peer review is so important
It takes two years to find reasons behind experiences.
You fool yourself then you go our and broadcast the idea that fools others
science is self correcting
truth does come out in the end.
You are finite and fallen
Robert Hook 1635-1703
Christian perspective
Western Science
God exists and order is there.
Conflict
- Conflict within theology
All Christian donctrines hold atimy
antimy
Jesus is man
Jesus is God
- Conflict within science
Reality is vailed
qunatum mechanical
Is light a wave or a particle
Reality is mysterious
God is mysteriuous
- Science religion conflict
Is light a wave or particle conflict (both)
Areas where conflict happen are the important areas
Must look at differerent view and learn from each other.
Collossium Forum (Hope in Practice)
Challenge of conflict in the church
Christ hold us together
Not theologens
not majorities
Invited 5 men
who disagree
Book: The Fool and the Heritic
The manner of relating to eachother during this conflict is the most important.
There is not assumption on creation that is unassailable
You must pick what you are confortable.
Disagreeable
Engange them
Find the common ground
understand what we don't know.
Jesus
Illness and diseas could not exist
Yet he died
He never told us why
we long for understanding and comprehension
We must be ok living without all the answers
We have the book, know the author of the book is true
If I say I have the truth I have elevated myself above truth itself
Any time you hold your understanding above that its self then that understanding becomes an idol
real danger for SDA
Greatest strength and greatest weekness
to say there is a truth is anti post modern
Both scientist and theologen's are natural allies against post modernism.
The Bible was written for us but not too us
Always carries cultural affected issues
At the same time God does give us important information that we can use to support our faith
Christian
Evolutionist
Creationist
God is sustainer
God is creator
Why can two spirit led indicuals meet and not agree?
God is trying to teach something more inmportant to us both.
Discussion
Richard Dawkins Negatively attacking theologens
Which is a negative perspective
Honest dialogue needs to take place
dr. clinton Boldwin
We say "since he is an atheist he needs to be quite and listen to me.
We know how to fight we but not how to make peace.
Must learn how to use launguage of both sides
Reformer
We we say we are the remnant this is what we mean
Make sure to use the traditional launguage
What do we mean when we say we have the truth
Learn the launguage of the world and the launge of the church
People defend their launguage
Avoid the tendacy to say this is the box that I am in if you disagree go to another church
To the Jew I am a Jew
Greek I am a greek
Be as wise as a serpant (not good)
Harmless as a dove
Like disciples we are willing to fight voilently for Jesus
We are not willing to follow christ into his trial without a fight
The choice is not between objectivity and subjectivity
Its recognizing that neither are perfect
We think we are reading the Bible from pure objectivity
Read it as it reads they say
but we still have subjectivity
If we think the spirit is only leading me and not leading the other person, then we will never learn anything and grow.
The path of the just is as a shining light that shines more and more until the perfect day
Truth is always going to be ahead of us. We need all the help we can get.
Could it be that the holy spirit is leading others to you to be share truth with you.
You have the spirit leading you and so do I
The worst scholars are the adventists
The adventist spirit is in all of us
When we know we should be doing better but we aren't doing better that is dangerious
How honest are we when we engage with other people
Whatever I know is about myself
Whatever I say about the church is a judgement
When I talk to people I learn this, people know better then what they are doing.
Level 1
The things I know but that I won't admit
Level 2
What I should have known but was too lazy to search out
If you haven't read the Bible through it before you leave seminary
You ought to have mastered it.