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WEEK 5 - BOOK 2 - AUDIO RECORDING 2
FAITH AND REASON
PARTICIPANTS
MONA SIDDIQI
MUSLIM THEOLOGIAN
FROM GLASGOW UNIVERSITY
MARK GOLDSMITH
RABBI FROM ALYTH
SYNAGOGUE IN LONDON
KEITH WARD
PHILOSOPHER AND PRIEST
IN CHURCH OF ENGLAND
PETER CAVE
ATHEIST, CHAIR OF THE
HUMANIST PHILOSOPHERS GROUP
QUESTION 1
CAN THE EXISTENCE OF
GOD BE PROVED,
OR IS IT BEYOND PROOF?
MONA SIDDIQI
DEPENDS WHAT
YOU MEAN
IF MATGERIAL PROOF, NO I CAN'T PROVE
IF CAN I IMAGINE WORLD WITHOUT GOD,
SUCH STRONG BELIEF THAT DOESN'T
REQUIRE MATERIAL OBJECTIVE PROOF
GOD CANNOT BE FULLY GRASPED
AND CAN ONLY BE APPREHENDED
THROUGH FEELINGS & EMOT°
KEITH WARD
IF GOD IS PERSONALLY
FELT AND EXPERIENCED
NEED TO ASK :
ILLUSION OR VALID?
THEN : IS REASONABLE?
SOME FAITH ARE REASONABLE
AND SOME OTHER AREN'T
REASONABLE FAITH
REQUIRES MINIMUM EVIDENCE
BUT GOES BEYOND IT
WHY EVIDENCE ONLY
INCLUDE MATERIAL / SENSORY
EXPERIENCES?
SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE
SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES
MARK GOLDSMITH
JEWISH START W
PRESOMPTION OF GOD
THE THE SEARCH
FOR THAT GOD
FIND EVIDENCE IN HISTORY,
AND IN SPIRITUAL PERSONAL
EXPERIENCES
SO FAITH 1ST
THEN REASON
PETER CAVE
LITTLE EVIDENCE,
THEN LEAP OF FAITH,
GENERALLY IRREVERSIBLE
FAITH NOT BASED ON
EVIDENCE OR REASON
BASED ON FEELING
WORRYING
MONA SIDDIQI
BELIEVERS ALSO STRUGGLE
WITH BELIEF
KEITH WARD
ASSUMPT° THAT MATERIAL
WORLD IS REAL AND TO BE SURE ABT
GOD NEEDS TAKE KANGAROO LEAP
= FALSE
ITS THE OPPOSITE=
STARTS WITH SPIRITUAL
PERSONAL REALITY
QUESTION 2
RELIGIOUS BOOKS
AS EVIDENCE = HOW
IMPORTANT ARE THEY?
MARK GOLDSMITH
THEY ARE PART OF
COLLECTIVE SEARCH,
SOMETIMES CHALLENGED
MONA SIDDIQUI
THIS QU° OF THE IMPTCE OF
SCRIPTURE OR REASON ALONE
DISCUSSED BY EARLY MUSLIMS
VERY IMPT FOR
AVERAGE MUSLIM BECAUSE
DONT IMAGINE GOD COULD LEAVE HUMAN
WITHOUT GUIDANCE
KEITH WARD
ITS IMPORTANT
IF IT WAS PROVED WRONG,
I'D STILL BELIEVE IN GOD
BUT BE STHG ELSE THAN CHRISTIAN
QUESTION 3
IF THERE IS A GOD,
WHY CAN'T AGREE
WHICH ONE IT IS?
MARK GOLDSMITH
BEYOND CULTURAL UNDERSTANDINGS,
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD
KEITH WARD
AGREED, JUST
DIFFERENT NAMES
MONA SIDDIQUI
AGREED, ONLY DIFFERENT PERCEPT°
OF HOW GOD IS AND HIS RELATIONSHP
WITH HUMANS