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Politics- Assembly (Plutarch (Kings and Gerontes could ignore a vote set…
Politics- Assembly
Plutarch
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Kings and Gerontes could ignore a vote set by the Ekklesia, this was added by Polydorus and Theopompus.
Suggests Ekklesia had been changing votes proposed to them.'crooked proposals'. They were overstepping their authority.
The assembly would vote on the election of a new Geronte. The loudest shout won when the candidate walked though the assembly.
For fairness, Spartiates would be positioned around the area, where they could not see, to judge the loudest shout.
quoting Tyrtaeus, the only role of the common people was to 'respond in turn with straight rhetras'- only vote on a proposals.
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Made decisions on foreign policy, war and peace,the election of Gerontes and Ephors and the appointment of generals (if no king was available to lead a campaign) and deciding disputes over royal succession, and voting on proposed laws.
Thucydides
As chairmen, the Ephors decided how to present a case, when to call a vote, and when to end a meeting of the Ekklesia. Decisions on all these matters could influence the outcome of a meeting
Could play a significant role if there was a disagreement between the kings, Gerousia and Ephors. Different views were presented to the Ekklesia whose members then voted on each one-432.
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No debating in the Ekklesia, only voting on motions proposed by Gerontes and Kings
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Account of 432- shouting used on votes for war or peace. It also seems, if noise level was even, votes could be divided by headcount. (not representative?)
portrays this as a novelty, a tactic designed by the ephor Sthenelaidas to encourage more Spartiates to vote for his proposal to make war with Athens.
may even have hinted that the original shouted votes were slightly in favour of peace and that the ephor used his position as chairman of the Assembly to manipulate this.
dealing with Thucydides’ evidence here: the evidence appears in speeches that are at least in part invented by Thucydides
Xenophon
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If a man lived nobly, he could become a Spartiate, according to Lycurgus' laws
Tyrtaeus
Polydorus and Theopompus convinced the Spartiates to accept the addition/clarification to the Great Rhetra by suggesting the god Apollo of Delphi had ordered it.
Only role for the common people was to ‘respond in turn with straight rhetras’. (Only respond to a proposal/motion by voting on it)
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Diodorus
No evidence that the Spartiates who weren’t members of the Gerousia were allowed to voice their views -475